Yah, you're absolutely right, I grew up in the NE and won't drive in Texas when there's ice because no one in Texas has a clue about how to drive on ice, which is DON'T DRIVE, or if you have to drive, don't ride the brake, it's just not going to help . . . .

Man, walking to the grocery store when it's 15 degrees and the North wind's blowing, what a blast from the past smile

"If you try to turn toward it, you go against it."