When you compare the 2809 with the 3808, I didn't see enough difference between them to justify the diff in $$. My 2809 can easily play to earsplitting levels and has virtually the same features as the 3808 but perhaps the one thing I couldn't refuse (at the time) was a local dealer had the 2809 PLUS the Denon BD1800 for $1100 CN (about $850ish US). Budget was definitely a factor in my decision, and I'm sure I don't really need more power than the 2809(115 wts) but it has the preouts just in case. ;\)

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