First of all, Happy New Year. I would like to thank everyone in this forum. It really helped made my decision to go for the Denon. I always been ONKYO person. But, with all the read, I decided to buy my 1st Denon 3808 from JR, by taking you guys advice from here. I bought it by calling JR directly and was able to save $300 from MSRP no tax to Cali. Man it sounds so good in music and movies. It brings out the best out of my Axiom speakers (7.2 M80, QS8, VP150, and M22). 3808 drives my M80 easily with the dynamic sound that I've been missing. The base on my subs. sound so real and very tight. After all, it was the right AV for Axiom speakers. DENON is very good match with AXIOM. I returned my Onkyo 805.