Hi Kodiak: thanks for your input...with my current M80's the bass is very rich,detailed not boomy what so ever....I'm guessing the M60's in the HP trim would continue that sound quality?my room is 20' wide 14' deep with 8.5 ceilings.....that comes to about 2200 cubic feet...I listen at about -30db(after running arc on my new Anthem MRX740 grin) movies at about -22db's find it is plenty loud...sometimes louder then these but most of the time that is it.The 80's sounded more open then(going way back) then my old M69ti's.There is my final question(yeah right,LOL) thanks Kodiak & everyone else!!!

Paradigm 800F,Paradigm C600,Axiom QS8 v3,Paradigm DSP-3100 Sub,AVR Anthem MRX-740