Jack, The much tadoo is totally correct, But when you say I "amended" my statement about the SVS ultra, I never said Axiom said ultra, therefore I can't amend something I never said, I just wanted to clarify that in my earlier post to you. The reference was to SVS, and HSU, NOT model specific. I can only assume they were speaking of "similar models" I think we can draw some conclusions based on price and marketplace. There was never exact model numbers, and in casuel conversation your right, there did not have to be, I was just stating the gist of where Axiom felt their subs stand aganist the competition. Knowing the competition, thats a heck of a statement, thats all I said. I was surprised, thats all. If they are right, I could not be happier, afterall I own 7 of their speakers. Jon


Sunfire amps & processor Sammy 50" Crown amp 2-SVS SS Maple Ultras, Axiom 60s,22s,150cc, QS8s