"This is why you cant have it all in the Dojo."

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As you might remember, I used to sit in the nearfield (8 feet away from the M80s). That didn't help with depth either. Admittedly though I didn't and still don't have diffusion in between the mains or at first reflection points. Near-field listening did nothing for surround by the way because the side QS8s were a foot behind me and 11 feet away and the rears were 13 feet away. It also did nothing for soundstage width.

In my 10x10x8 room that uses your panels and with the corner speaker positioning you suggested, I hear depth but it's still not "in your face" depth. That room is special. When I want a very intimate presentation of a lady jazz singer, I go to that room and she's...you know...right there...in front of me. I can reach out and touch her without getting slapped. wink

I'll have to try what you suggested but I have to tell you, I am not holding out much hope. I've been told speakers of my generation (not just my M80v2) just couldn't do depth.

I've also been told it's far easier to get depth with smaller speakers like the M5HPs which is why I've been so interested in them. I just don't know if the M5HPs would be able to form a wide and deep soundstage if they were placed 9 feet apart and I sat 14 feet away. Ian feels they won't be enough but I don't know what that means.

I don't know how to evaluate a speaker to determine if it can give me width and depth and how it needs to be positioned in the room to achieve that. I don't know what measurements I need to look at and if I had the measurements, I likely wouldn't be able to interpret them because I don't have Andrew's meat computer smile. I'd like to learn but I don't even know where to look for educational material.

Anyway, if you are over here again, let me know. You're always welcome to stay here. And I still dream of escaping to out there but I have peeps who rely on me here and I can't just leave them.


House of the Rising Sone
Out in the mid or far field
Dedicated mid-woofers are over-rated