Originally Posted By: 2x6spds
First we have those who deny reality in order to avoid the difficult moral issues ... i.e., those who say torture is not effective. This is politically correct nonsense. No one can resist torture for long.

Once we acknowledge that torture is effective, we are then confronted with the moral questions which challenge smug and shallow self righteous conclusions.

It is easy to conceive of situations which force us to weigh terrible alternatives.


It's effective? Really? So Matthew Alexander, a former senior military interrogator who conducted or supervised over 1,300 interrogations in Iraq is full of shit and you have first hand experience that proves otherwise? He was interviewed yesterday- link .

Also, if you are fine with your country bending the rules of international law or laws of war etc., are you okay with other countries doing the same to your countries servicemen and women? Do you apply the same standards to yourself? If you don't acknowledge uniformity, then you are being self-righteous.


The only reasonable argument for owning a gun is to protect yourself from the police.