Originally Posted By: Craig_P
Ah yes, the old ticking time bomb scenario. A good plot device for poorly written dramas. The problem here is that no such scenario (of note) has ever occurred in the real world. It just doesn't make sense. Why would one person only know the "key" information? And if you've got him in a bunker, then you're safe from him? If there are others, wouldn't they activate their device the second their comrade was captured/missing/etc. And when do ACTUAL terrorists hide giant WMDs with TIMERS? What sense does that make? If you have them, you set them off immediately, or maybe you trigger it by remote for some sort of ransom thingy? Regardless, the ticking time bomb thing is a device used strictly by lazy writers to give a fixed drama point and tension in their stories. It's never happened in real life, so your construct isn't applicable to our real life debate.


Torture doesn't work. Fact. Why? the information is gathered is completely unreliable. People will say anything to make the torture stop. They'll tell the truth. They'll lie. They'll tell you what they think you want you to hear. THEY WILL SAY ANYTHING. And since you don't know the answer to the question (that's why you're torturing them) you have no way to verify the accuracy of any of it.
As noted above, people who perform the actual interrogations say torture doesn't work. Many more sources, I'm not gonna bother to find them. Please feel free to do so yourself.
(And all of this without even dipping into the moral side of the argument)


Like I thought, Craig. You can't answer the question. Your insult about poor plot devices notwithstanding, or how unlikely the scenario, you avoid the point, because you cannot deal with it in an honest way.

As to your statement that torture doesn't work, that people will say anything to make it stop, if you don't think that can be used to obtain totally accurate information, you are not thinking clearly. You are merely spouting cliches.

Really, think about! Put yourself in the position of a person being tortured for information. Every time you bullsh!t, you are forced to endure the unendurable. How many times, before the pure, clear truth emerges?

Be honest.


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