Working in the inside for over 10 years, dealing with reps, manufacturers, technicians, and those who specialize in Home Theater Design and Installation who hold the same opinion of Onkyo receivers will not make it scientific fact Pete. You are using the "scientific" approach to try and disprove the opinions of others just because a view of a product you own is unfavorable? In the end does it really matter though? You, not me, are going to be the one who decides what you like; and, if you like your Onkyo unit then that should be good enough for you regardless of what any one else says. If a thousand people believe that Onkyo produces excessively bright receivers, that doesn't make it fact. Anyone have scientific proof that Bose actually does suck? There are many MANY people at the AVS Forum who believe that Axiom speakers are overly bright; it doesn't make it fact and at the same time, there is no scientific fact that Axiom speakers aren't overly bright. Like BB said, it is all opinion.