In reply to:

now you guys have gone from saying that Axiom speakers do not sound bright to conceding that they do? LMAO


NO -- YOU have gone from claiming Onkyo amps are bright to talking about Axiom speakers. That is the change. It's called a diversion.

Virtually nobody here claims Axiom speakers don't have a distinctive sound -- ALL SPEAKERS DO. In fact most here agree there are audible differences between the Axiom M50 and M60 -- two different Axiom speakers.

The speaker debate regards PROPER WORDING to describe those differences --- NOT that they don't exist.

If speakers did not have a distinctive sound, they could not be identified in double blind tests. Call it bright, accurate, forward, neutral -- those are just subjective words. The correct adjectives can be debated. But the differences exist. At least we admit that.

Speakers generally sound different and can be identified in double blind tests.

Amps do not sound different and cannot be identified in double blind tests, even with $10,000 to win.

Whether certain Axiom speakers are best described "bright", "fresh", "clear", "crisp", etc. etc. is irrelevant to amps having no identifiable sound that endures a double blind test.