MarkB, have you listened to anything from Polk Audio? Some folks at the Polk site report getting RTi8s for under $400 in open box specials at Circuit City. As a Polk and Axiom owner, I would guess they are comparable to the Axiom M60 (maybe 50 - I have not done a direct comparison of these models). At their retail price ($800+) they are a good value just like Axiom products are a good value. At $400 they are a steal.