Well I am researching tires for my own needs too Tom, so it's no biggy. Ya, the Nitto's don't last teribly long. The Invo's do last longer than mine, the NT05's. I think I can get about 10,000 miles out of mine, maybe. But I doubt I'll put more than 2000 miles a year on the car, if that. Nitto's are made in Japan. I have not checked the others.