I hear you Chesseroo,
I've taken lately to purchasing refurb units especially if I'm buying last years tech.
The 7.1 unit I have in the family room and my 8805 are both refurbs. My M22's and VP180HP are refurbs. Axiom's refurbs are especially sweet if you get it during one of their sales ...

let's see ... x% off for refurb, y% off that for sale, and z% off that for loyalty ... oh, wait ... I can buy more ...