One thing about using a probe though, is it needs to be stuck in the correct area of the 'thing' you happen to be cooking, and not too far in or too far out….. I've fought with this many times. Thinking you have reached the correct temp, to only cut into the bird or slab of meat to find it raw or overdone.

And as I read that, not really knowing how to rephrase it, to not get a sexually orientated response from Bob or Mark…..