bigjohn, if you're gonna be a liberal you gotta learn the party line. It sounds like you don't like the ACLU, PETA, SPCA, NAACP or any of the other special interest groups who wield power disproportionate to their numbers.

spiffnme, I think bigjohn, you and I have common ground here re gay "marriage". John and I think the same thing: civil unions OK, reserve "marriage" for the traditional union between a man and a woman. Wouldn't that be enough? Why does the term marriage need to be redefined? The article you quoted even stated that marriage as a religous ceremony is 800 years old. That seems like a lot of tradition to throw out the window. Atheist here, BTW.

IMO, for the gay and lesbian community to seek more than equal rights under the law shows that their real agenda is not equality, but to wave the homosexual banner. The civil union idea gives everybody the same rights without flaunting homosexuality in the faces of religous conservatives - or is that the point?