PM - I tend to always give people the benefit of the doubt. Personally, I see a different George w. Bush than does BigJohn. I also saw a different William Clinton than did the guys who would LOOK for a reason to despise HIM. One of the problems with this so called "discussion" from day one is most of the arguments made have either been how BigJohn posts about the president (a litany), or someone posting a link to some Far Left web site listing "facts" about Bush.

In 1999, The same discussion had far right guys posting links to "proof" that Ron Brown had bullet holes in the back of his head, Vince Foster was killed ... etc ... and that Bill Clinton was the same type of evil that Bush is painted as today.

I guess that fact that BOTH sides find my position that they both did or are doing a pretty good job to be "wrong" is an OK place to be.